May 1st, 1970 (New York): George is carefully reticent as he talks to (understandably doubtful) DJ Howard Smith about The Beatles’ emerging legal and emotional sagas - the one between Paul and the other Beatles (c/o Allen Klein), and the one between Paul and John. (Note: We all know what comes to light afterward, but one can see during that paranoid and passive-aggressive time why the others might have found Paul’s choice of legal representation suspect within the group hierarchy.)
SMITH: But everything looks so gloomy right now.
GEORGE: It’s not, really. You know, it’s no more gloomy than it’s been for the last ten years… It really isn’t any worse. It’s just that now over the last year, with – what with John and stuff, and lately with Paul – everything that they’ve thought or said has come out to the public. It’s been printed. It’s been, uh, for everybody to read, or to comment about, or to join in on. Whereas before—
SMITH: But the things – the feelings had been there all along?
GEORGE: No, I wouldn’t say that… [pause] In different ways, you know. Like, we’re just like anybody else. Familiarity breeds contempt, they do say. [laughs; bleak] And we’ve had slight problems. But it’s only been recently, because we didn’t work together for such a long time, and the Yoko and John situation. And then Paul and Linda. [long pause] But it’s really – it’s not as bad as it seems, you know. Like, we’re all having a good time individually, and…
SMITH: There seems like such animosity, between Paul and—
GEORGE: Yeah.
SMITH: —you know, you three. I mean, it sounds like he is saying it’s all over.
GEORGE: But it’s more of a personal thing. That’s down to the management situation. You know, with Apple. Because Paul, really, it was his idea to do Apple, and once it started going, Paul was very active in there. And then it got really chaotic and we had to do something about it. When we started doing something about it, obviously Paul didn’t have as much say in the matter, and then he decided – because he wanted Lee Eastman – you know, his in-laws – to run it, and we didn’t. Then that’s the only reason, you know. That’s the whole basis. But that’s only a personal problem that he’ll have to get over because that’s the reality. [It’s] that he’s out-voted, and we’re a partnership; we’ve got these companies which we all own 25 percent of each, and if there’s a decision to be made, then like in any other business or group you have a vote, you know. And he was out-voted three to one. And if he doesn’t like it, it’s really a pity. Because we’re trying to do what’s best for the Beatles as a group, or best for Apple as a company. We’re not trying to do what’s best for Paul and his in-laws, you know?
SMITH: You think that’s what the key fight is over?
GEORGE: Well, that is – yeah, because it’s on such a personal level, that it is a big problem, really. You imagine that situation if you were married, and you wanted your in-laws to handle certain things. It’s like – it’s a difficult one to overcome because… [pause] Well, you can think of the subtleties, you know.
SMITH: But the Eastmans—
GEORGE: ‘Cause he’s really living with it like that, you see. When I go home at night I’m not living there with Allen Klein, whereas in a way, Paul’s living with the Eastmans, you see. And so it’s purely – it’s not really between Paul and us, you know, it’s between Paul’s advisors, who are the Eastmans, and our business advisors, which is Allen Klein. [pause] But it’s alright.
SMITH: [skeptical] Uh, I don’t know. [George laughs] I’m not as optimistic.
GEORGE: [blithe] Yeah, it’s alright. All things pass away. As they say.
SMITH: I somewhat detected some kind of animosity between Yoko and Linda. Is that part of what it’s about?
GEORGE: Oh, I don’t know. I don’t think about it. I refuse to be a part of any hassles like that. Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna. Krishna, Krishna, Hare, Hare. And it’ll all be okay, you know. Just give ‘em time, because they do really love each other. I mean, we all do. We’ve been so close and through so much together, that it really – to talk about it like this, we’ll never get any nearer to it. But the main thing is this – like in anybody’s life, they have slight problems, and it’s just that our problems are always blown up, and uh, you know, shown to everybody. But it’s not really – it’s not a problem. It’s only a problem if you think about it.
SMITH: So you don’t think there’s any great anger between Paul and John?
GEORGE: No, I think there may be what you’d term a little bitchiness. But, you know. That’s all it is. It’s just being bitchy to each other. Childish. Childish.